Windmills

[youngthing]

Hi Mac,

My Hubby is drooling over your pics and designs and wished he could
also
build a windmill. He is capable and would enjoy the sanding and
watching it funtion. The engineer mind continues working.

Living in a 55+ community, the rules are rediculous. We are not
allowed to have such a windmill in our yard.
He misses his expansive work shop, we had in the old house.
I miss the clothes line; where sheets absorb fresh air and sunshine.

But we have each other - as you said, YUM. Oh, baby. ;-}
My best to your family.

Youngthing

[Frank McCoy]

Post by youngthing
Hi Mac,
My Hubby is drooling over your pics and designs and wished he could
also
build a windmill. He is capable and would enjoy the sanding and
watching it funtion. The engineer mind continues working.
Living in a 55+ community, the rules are rediculous. We are not
allowed to have such a windmill in our yard.

Well ... Mine isn't exactly "in the yard. I have the one up front on the
mailbox; and the one in back on a fencepost. ;-}

Still, some rules of such "communities" suck.

Post by youngthing
He misses his expansive work shop, we had in the old house.
I miss the clothes line; where sheets absorb fresh air and sunshine.

I don't miss clotheslines at ALL, at all.
Personally, instead of coming out "outside fresh and soft", I remember all too
well clothesline-hung clothing being hard, stiff, and not smelling all that
sweet. The tumble-dry of a modern dryer (to me) is a wonderful thing. Just
don't leave them in the dryer for long after they're finished.

I won't even mention Oregon Climate and what soggy wet week after week did when
the only dryer you had was a clothesline; so you hung them up in the house ....

Well, OK, I did anyway. ;-}

Post by youngthing
But we have each other - as you said, YUM. Oh, baby. ;-}
My best to your family.
Youngthing

[youngthing]

Post by Frank McCoy
Still, some rules of such "communities" suck.

Yes, sometimes it does feel that way. But after having 3 back
surgeries my husband doesn't have to mow 1/2 acre ,or get on the snow
blower in the winter. Plus, we have met some wonderful people here.
But the rules still suck. ;-{
We miss our old house.

Post by Frank McCoy
I don't miss clotheslines at ALL, at all.
Well clothesline-hung on the clothes being hard, stiff,

Yes, that is true. I would leave them on the line, till dew
settled. My kids would help and we would bring them in putting them in
the dryer. Thus removing any wrinkle, smelling sweet and sunny. Just
a personal option.
Guess I am an OLD fashioned girl. We are both sixty-something.

Post by Frank McCoy
I won't even mention Oregon Climate and what soggy wet week after week did when
the only dryer you had was a clothesline; so you hung them up in the house ....

That's not much fun.
Take care, dear. How is your library going?
My best to your lovely wife.

Youngthing

[Frank McCoy]

Post by youngthing
How is your library going?

Right now, not at all.
I blew up the kid's computer by trying to back it up. ;-{
Now I'm trying to reinstall everything.

Windows-XP sucks.
NTFS file-system sucks even worse.
Yet, that's what XP almost insists that you install.
Shit.

[youngthing]

Post by Frank McCoy

Post by youngthing
How is your library going?

Right now, not at all.
I blew up the kid's computer by trying to back it up. ;-{
Now I'm trying to reinstall everything.
Windows-XP sucks.
NTFS file-system sucks even worse.
Yet, that's what XP almost insists that you install.
Shit.

Mac,
Obviously you had a horrible day. And yes, that does suck.
My husband understands computor lingo, and I can feel utter
frustration on your part. I am sorry.
youngthing

[a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com]

Post by Frank McCoy

Post by youngthing
How is your library going?

Right now, not at all.
I blew up the kid's computer by trying to back it up. ;-{
Now I'm trying to reinstall everything.
Windows-XP sucks.

Yes, for sure.

Post by Frank McCoy
NTFS file-system sucks even worse.

Well, no. IMO, it is somewhat better than FAT, at least for servers,
as long as the OS using it doesn't suck. Say, NT 4.0. M a y b e W2K.

Post by Frank McCoy
Yet, that's what XP almost insists that you install.

AFAIK, you can get around it.

Post by Frank McCoy
Shit.

Now we're back to Windows-XP. :-)

[Frank McCoy]

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com

Post by Frank McCoy

Post by youngthing
How is your library going?

Right now, not at all.
I blew up the kid's computer by trying to back it up. ;-{
Now I'm trying to reinstall everything.
Windows-XP sucks.

Yes, for sure.

Post by Frank McCoy
NTFS file-system sucks even worse.

Well, no. IMO, it is somewhat better than FAT, at least for servers,
as long as the OS using it doesn't suck. Say, NT 4.0. M a y b e W2K.

Post by Frank McCoy
Yet, that's what XP almost insists that you install.

AFAIK, you can get around it.

Yeah ... But I found out the *hard* way that Win-XP doesn't get along too well
with two different file-systems around, when you want to copy things from one to
the other. It's *supposed to*, but ....

When making a backup, Win-XP *formatted* my *main drive* instead of the backup
copy (Something it's supposedly prevented from doing); thus destroying not only
the backup drive but the original as well. ;-{

Well ... OK ... Possibly it was a drive fuck-up; but still ....

Everything on the kid's computer ... GONE. ;-{

Nothing that wasn't on the net-backup is left.
Thank Goodness there wasn't much data.
Still, I've been fighting to get back all the passwords and logon scripts and
such for the last day or so. A few seem to be unrecoverable; but I've managed
to get most of them.

That, and re-installing about 100 different software packages.
Busy, busy, busy.

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com

Post by Frank McCoy
Shit.

Now we're back to Windows-XP. :-)

Yup.
A *few* things on XP seem to work better; so it's not all bad.
About twice as many work worse, though.

[a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com]

On 31 Oct 2005 17:36:12 GMT, Frank McCoy <***@millcomm.com> wrote:
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Post by Frank McCoy

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com

Shit.

Now we're back to Windows-XP. :-)

Yup.
A *few* things on XP seem to work better; so it's not all bad.
About twice as many work worse, though.

With the user interface so terribly horrible on XP (all that fucking
cuteness) I will never find out if there is anything that is good.

The only time I worked on one (which was for a good customer), I spent
the first two hours finding and turning off as much as the cute as I
could. That was on XP pro. Actually, there was a second time (for
the same customer). I spent 6 hours cleaning a XP Home system of all
its virii and spyware. Some of the trash came back 3 or 4 times.

IMO, windows peaked somewhere around 98SE or W2K, and has been going
downhill since.

[Frank McCoy]

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
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Post by Frank McCoy

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com

Shit.

Now we're back to Windows-XP. :-)

Yup.
A *few* things on XP seem to work better; so it's not all bad.
About twice as many work worse, though.

With the user interface so terribly horrible on XP (all that fucking
cuteness) I will never find out if there is anything that is good.
The only time I worked on one (which was for a good customer), I spent
the first two hours finding and turning off as much as the cute as I
could. That was on XP pro. Actually, there was a second time (for
the same customer). I spent 6 hours cleaning a XP Home system of all
its virii and spyware. Some of the trash came back 3 or 4 times.

Most of that stuff is built to respawn itself if you try to delete it.
That makes the proper removal of some of that stuff rather hairy.
I know ... It took me almost two days to get rid of all the stuff on the kid's
computer, so it *stayed* removed. That wasn't the OS, but the kid loading
zillions of games on the system and accepting everything from each website.

Spybot Search-and-destroy is kind of nice; not to mention Bazooka.
Each one finds some stuff the other doesn't.

Hell, I got ONE piece of ad-ware on my own computer the other day.
How, I'm not sure. Probably some malicious website.

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
IMO, windows peaked somewhere around 98SE or W2K, and has been going
downhill since.

98SE.

[a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com]

On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 16:16:41 -0600, Frank McCoy <***@millcomm.com>
wrote:

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Post by Frank McCoy
Most of that stuff is built to respawn itself if you try to delete it.

So I found out.

Post by Frank McCoy
That makes the proper removal of some of that stuff rather hairy.
I know ... It took me almost two days to get rid of all the stuff on the kid's
computer, so it *stayed* removed. That wasn't the OS, but the kid loading
zillions of games on the system and accepting everything from each website.
Spybot Search-and-destroy is kind of nice; not to mention Bazooka.
Each one finds some stuff the other doesn't.

AdAware, also.

Post by Frank McCoy
Hell, I got ONE piece of ad-ware on my own computer the other day.
How, I'm not sure. Probably some malicious website.

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
IMO, windows peaked somewhere around 98SE or W2K, and has been going
downhill since.

98SE.

The only problem with 98SE, is that it can't mirror the hard drive,
while W2K (server) can. Also, if you need REAL user level security,
W2K would be better.

[Frank McCoy]

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
<snip>

Post by Frank McCoy
Most of that stuff is built to respawn itself if you try to delete it.

So I found out.

Post by Frank McCoy
That makes the proper removal of some of that stuff rather hairy.
I know ... It took me almost two days to get rid of all the stuff on the kid's
computer, so it *stayed* removed. That wasn't the OS, but the kid loading
zillions of games on the system and accepting everything from each website.
Spybot Search-and-destroy is kind of nice; not to mention Bazooka.
Each one finds some stuff the other doesn't.

AdAware, also.

Post by Frank McCoy
Hell, I got ONE piece of ad-ware on my own computer the other day.
How, I'm not sure. Probably some malicious website.

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
IMO, windows peaked somewhere around 98SE or W2K, and has been going
downhill since.

98SE.

The only problem with 98SE, is that it can't mirror the hard drive,
while W2K (server) can. Also, if you need REAL user level security,
W2K would be better.

For mirroring a hard-drive, buy a motherboard with it built-in.
Personally, I don't believe in mirroring a drive.
If something is done wrong on one drive, you've just duplicated your problem on
the backup. Much better to use the space to do regular backups onto a second
hard-drive when you *know* things are working good.

[a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com]

On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:17:32 -0600, Frank McCoy <***@millcomm.com>
wrote:

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Post by Frank McCoy
For mirroring a hard-drive, buy a motherboard with it built-in.

Don't trust them. All that I have seen, the only way to know if a
drive has gone belly up is that the mirror fails on a reboot. Since
servers aren't supposed to reboot . . . At least with a software
mirror, I can load the disk administrator, and check status. I also
have a different program which allows me to check the S.M.A.R.T status
of the individual drives, without a reboot.

Post by Frank McCoy
Personally, I don't believe in mirroring a drive.
If something is done wrong on one drive, you've just duplicated your problem on
the backup.

True. But, I use the mirrors in case a drive quits without warning -
which happens. That way, I still have a working copy of the system.
Drives are cheap.

Post by Frank McCoy
Much better to use the space to do regular backups onto a second
hard-drive when you *know* things are working good.

I use a third drive as a backup medium. Drives are cheap. :-)

[Frank McCoy]

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
<snip>

Post by Frank McCoy
For mirroring a hard-drive, buy a motherboard with it built-in.

Don't trust them. All that I have seen, the only way to know if a
drive has gone belly up is that the mirror fails on a reboot. Since
servers aren't supposed to reboot . . . At least with a software
mirror, I can load the disk administrator, and check status. I also
have a different program which allows me to check the S.M.A.R.T status
of the individual drives, without a reboot.

Post by Frank McCoy
Personally, I don't believe in mirroring a drive.
If something is done wrong on one drive, you've just duplicated your problem on
the backup.

True. But, I use the mirrors in case a drive quits without warning -
which happens. That way, I still have a working copy of the system.
Drives are cheap.

Post by Frank McCoy
Much better to use the space to do regular backups onto a second
hard-drive when you *know* things are working good.

I use a third drive as a backup medium. Drives are cheap. :-)

Yeah ... Using a tape-drive as backup just doesn't hack it financially these
days.

[a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com]

On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:55:37 -0600, Frank McCoy <***@millcomm.com>
wrote:

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Post by Frank McCoy
Yeah ... Using a tape-drive as backup just doesn't hack it financially these
days.

I must have spent $5,000+ over the years on tape drives. The largest
capacity is a measly 4/8 (raw/compressed) gig. A proper tape backup
system, with software, would cost me something like 15 to 20 grand.

Enough disk drives to do the job are less than $1,000. :-)

And faster. :-)

[Frank McCoy]

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
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Post by Frank McCoy
Yeah ... Using a tape-drive as backup just doesn't hack it financially these
days.

I must have spent $5,000+ over the years on tape drives. The largest
capacity is a measly 4/8 (raw/compressed) gig. A proper tape backup
system, with software, would cost me something like 15 to 20 grand.
Enough disk drives to do the job are less than $1,000. :-)
And faster. :-)

*Much* faster.
Not only that; but you can get fairly cheap removable disk-drives at about two
dollars a gig, if you want off-site backup. (Non-removable drives can get as
cheap as $.50 a gig.) That's if you don't mind _relatively_ slow USB drives.
They're still _much_ faster than most tape-drives.

It seems a bit funny though, to spend much *more* on your backup drives than on
your primary system ... But that's the way it is today. Still much cheaper than
the past; even though the capacity has bloomed into a monster.

[a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com]

On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 10:06:53 -0600, Frank McCoy <***@millcomm.com>
wrote:

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Post by Frank McCoy

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
And faster. :-)

*Much* faster.
Not only that; but you can get fairly cheap removable disk-drives at about two
dollars a gig, if you want off-site backup. (Non-removable drives can get as
cheap as $.50 a gig.) That's if you don't mind _relatively_ slow USB drives.
They're still _much_ faster than most tape-drives.

Today, I would probably go for SATA drives in hot-swapable carriers,
assuming that NT 4 can even support them. The trick is to convince NT
4 that are 'removable' devices, so that I don't have to re-boot to
change them.

Post by Frank McCoy
It seems a bit funny though, to spend much *more* on your backup drives than on
your primary system ... But that's the way it is today. Still much cheaper than
the past; even though the capacity has bloomed into a monster.

If I tried to add up all that I have spent on computer systems
(processors, disk drives, printers, terminals, modems, . . .) over
the last 30 years, I would probably be shocked - easily over 100 grand
- hell, the first real system was over 10 grand all by itself, back
in 1975.

[younthing]

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
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Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
And faster. :-)

You sound just like my hubby, a real brain. Well, Frank is too.
Actually Frank is a lot like my hubby.
Anywho, it is fun to read your posts and sit their wondering what the
hell does this mean.
That's ok, I was not trained to configure or understand computors. I
use to train dogs at the S.P.C.A. Now that was a blast.
It is so much fun to read Franks' reply and your answer back to him.
Hell, he can take a car apart and put it back together in a 4-5 days.

What a mechanic. Actually, Frank can do just about anythings. ;-}

Yet, it is his delghtful stories that turn me on. YUM.
youngthing

[a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com]

Post by younthing

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
<snip<

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
And faster. :-)

You sound just like my hubby, a real brain. Well, Frank is too.
Actually Frank is a lot like my hubby.
Anywho, it is fun to read your posts and sit their wondering what the
hell does this mean.
That's ok, I was not trained to configure or understand computors. I
use to train dogs at the S.P.C.A. Now that was a blast.
It is so much fun to read Franks' reply and your answer back to him.
Hell, he can take a car apart and put it back together in a 4-5 days.

BTDT. But only the engine and tranny. The rest was welded together.
Too much trouble. :-) But, I took a few weeks. I wasn't in any
hurry.

Post by younthing
What a mechanic. Actually, Frank can do just about anythings. ;-}
Yet, it is his delghtful stories that turn me on. YUM.
youngthing

[Frank McCoy]

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com

Post by younthing

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
<snip<

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com
And faster. :-)

You sound just like my hubby, a real brain. Well, Frank is too.
Actually Frank is a lot like my hubby.
Anywho, it is fun to read your posts and sit their wondering what the
hell does this mean.
That's ok, I was not trained to configure or understand computors. I
use to train dogs at the S.P.C.A. Now that was a blast.
It is so much fun to read Franks' reply and your answer back to him.
Hell, he can take a car apart and put it back together in a 4-5 days.

BTDT. But only the engine and tranny. The rest was welded together.
Too much trouble. :-) But, I took a few weeks. I wasn't in any
hurry.

This was only the engine.
And it took about two weeks.
But that was only because *I* wasn't in any hurry.

OTOH, I've overhauled and rebuilt a *small* engine (about 8hp) in a hair under
four hours. I'm not really a mechanic ... I just have mechanical skills. A
*real* mechanic would do a complete rebuild of both engine and tranny in under 8
hours. Me, I have to do too many things *slowly*, just so I can place the parts
so I know in which order to reassemble them; stopping to label parts, if the
thing is complicated enough, so I will know when it comes time to reassemble,
which bolt goes in which hole (and that's counting the bolts that *must* be
replaced, as well). It surprised me to know that when putting an engine back
together, unlike so many other things, it's *mandatory* that you replace certain
bolts *every time*. It seems that when you torque head-bolts and such, the bolt
is *designed* to stretch a certain amount, to give the right ... uh ... spring
and keep it tight. But when taken out, it's already *been* stretched; and if
you try to use it again, it'll be too long and thus won't properly tighten. In
fact, you're liable to break the thing off inside the head, if you try.

One of so many *little* things you're supposed to know *before* you start taking
an engine apart. Things like: Don't re-use gaskets. In most cases, you buy a
complete *set* of gaskets for the whole engine ... or make new ones out of
gasket-material, if they don't have it for that particular part. The reason
being similar to the reason for not reusing head-bolts.

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com

Post by younthing
What a mechanic. Actually, Frank can do just about anythings. ;-}
Yet, it is his delghtful stories that turn me on. YUM.
youngthing

[younthing]

Post by Frank McCoy
One of so many *little* things you're supposed to know *before* you start taking
an engine apart. Things like: Don't re-use gaskets. In most cases, you buy a
complete *set* of gaskets for the whole engine ... or make new ones out of
gasket-material, if they don't have it for that particular part. The reason
being similar to the reason for not reusing head-bolts.
_____
/ ' / ™
,-/-, __ __. ____ /_
(_/ / (_(_/|_/ / <_/ <_

Cowboy, you sound so sexy when you talk about engines. By the way,
thanks for the cup of coffee. I'm glad your wife made it.
I see the dentist on Thursday for the 2nd root canal pleasure trip.
The most difficult part is seeing that 10 foot needle spurting
novacane.
"This will only be a little prick." Five jabs later I wait for the
numbness to settle in. Then my jaw has fallen onto the floor, I can't
find it.
My husband has been wonderful. I didn't realize how worried he was.
Yes, that type of infection can lead to Spetice in the system.
(spelling ?) I think it is referred to Septic. Anywho, you can die.
That's what you were telling me the other night. You could sense my
husband's anxiety, in my e-letter. Thanks dear, I was acting like a
spoiled little child. I have to remember hubby is a gentle, quiet man
like yourself.
We NEVER argue. Just have terrific SEX. Thanks again for your
wonderful description of your mechanical prowess. You always make me
melt. ;-}
Night love. Sleep tite and don't let the bedbugs bite.
A hug and kiss for your Lady and a gentle loving punch in the arm for
the kid.
Bette

[Frank McCoy]

Post by younthing
I see the dentist on Thursday for the 2nd root canal pleasure trip.
The most difficult part is seeing that 10 foot needle spurting
novacane.
"This will only be a little prick." Five jabs later I wait for the
numbness to settle in. Then my jaw has fallen onto the floor, I can't
find it.

What I hate most about the dentist is the numb feeling I get afterwards. I can
take the pain (fairly well, but not enough to do it bare).

MY wife however, refuses novocaine ... She just sits there and endures it.
Ow.

[younthing]

Post by Frank McCoy
What I hate most about the dentist is the numb feeling I get afterwards. I can
take the pain (fairly well, but not enough to do it bare).
MY wife however, refuses novacane ... She just sits there and endures it.
Ow.

_____

Post by Frank McCoy
/ ' / ™
,-/-, __ __. ____ /_
(_/ / (_(_/|_/ / <_/ <_

Frank,
There is no question, I could not do without numbing. The numb
feeling isn't terrific, but during a root canal, she would be begging
for novacane. Major Ow. ;-{
I have a girlfriend who is like that. She is a church goer and
believes her faith will get her through.
Not for me. But then I don't go to church. Each to his own.

Hubby is on so many meds for his heart, diabetes, you name it; he
should refrain from novacane. Has to take an ani-biotics a week before
he has his teeth cleaned or any dental work.

Want to know something funny? It was around the time I discovered
your delicious stories.
When I was telling you how much I would LOVE to have you as my daddy;
you were LOL, because you pictured us as being the same age. Well
give or take a few years.
Well, kiddo looks like I am the old lady.
Geese, I still have to send you that pic of our daughter. Crap, you
might cream your pants.
Did I tell you she and her husband signed a contract to do a commercial
for Sam Adams Beer?
Should be out around January.

So, what are you *up* to today? Yes, I did read Horny Like Crazy once
again.
Honey, it was one of your finest; well except for some of your hot ped.
stories.
Giving my background, you would have made a delicious daddy.
Remember, Girth = yummy feelings. Kegels is a woman's secret weapon.
But then you already know that.

Franky Baby, do you always look this handsome? ;-}
youngthing

[a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com]

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:28:51 -0600, Frank McCoy <***@millcomm.com>
wrote:

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Post by Frank McCoy
This was only the engine.
And it took about two weeks.
But that was only because *I* wasn't in any hurry.
OTOH, I've overhauled and rebuilt a *small* engine (about 8hp) in a hair under
four hours. I'm not really a mechanic ... I just have mechanical skills. A
*real* mechanic would do a complete rebuild of both engine and tranny in under 8
hours. Me, I have to do too many things *slowly*, just so I can place the parts
so I know in which order to reassemble them; stopping to label parts, if the
thing is complicated enough, so I will know when it comes time to reassemble,
which bolt goes in which hole (and that's counting the bolts that *must* be
replaced, as well). It surprised me to know that when putting an engine back
together, unlike so many other things, it's *mandatory* that you replace certain
bolts *every time*.

That's a new one on me. But, then, the engine I worked on was a 1962
6-cyl, and maybe it wasn't required then.

Post by Frank McCoy
It seems that when you torque head-bolts and such, the bolt
is *designed* to stretch a certain amount, to give the right ... uh ... spring
and keep it tight. But when taken out, it's already *been* stretched; and if
you try to use it again, it'll be too long and thus won't properly tighten. In
fact, you're liable to break the thing off inside the head, if you try.

I kinda thought that the compression of the gaskets is what provided
that, which is one reason why you can't reuse them.

Post by Frank McCoy
One of so many *little* things you're supposed to know *before* you start taking
an engine apart. Things like: Don't re-use gaskets.

That one I knew.

<snip>

[Frank McCoy]

Post by a***@NOW.AT.arargh.com

Post by Frank McCoy
It surprised me to know that when putting an engine back
together, unlike so many other things, it's *mandatory* that you replace certain
bolts *every time*.

That's a new one on me. But, then, the engine I worked on was a 1962
6-cyl, and maybe it wasn't required then.

It was required on a '49 Ford ....
I know one guy who didn't. Don't know the exact engine; but I do remember the
thing worked ... Until he blew a gasket about 5000 miles and six months later.

I've heard horror-stories of people who *tried* putting old bolts in and
torquing them to spec ... And snapping the bolts off in the head. Yeah, it
*might* just be parts-houses trying to sell extra parts ... But I don't think
so.

The problem is that the threaded hole only goes so deep; and the bolt is already
stretched almost that long; and is *set* in the stretch after years of use.
They aren't tempered; and are *designed* to stretch. That's why you use a
torque-wrench on them. Most bolts you just put in "until tight". Not
head-bolts. It's another reason they're always so LONG. Yes, they *could* just
screw the bolts about 2" into the top of the head ... But they don't. There's a
good reason that they reach clear down to the bottom of the engine-block. You
don't use just *any* bolt long enough to work, either. Most head-bolts are made
of a specific thickness and type of steel to match the particular engine. Many
(most?) even have a thinner shank than they have threads; making them look extra
long and skinny; unlike most bolts where the threads are cut *into* the shank.
You don't substitute just "any" bolt, any more than you substitue just "any"
spark-plug. Doing either is just asking for troubles later on; even though it
might work temporarily.

A good mechanic's shop has tools to remove (Shudder!) broken head-bolts that
have snapped off way down in the block. ;-{

[younthing]

Frank,
As I mentioned, you know so much about cars and putting things back
together. Hubby would do oil changes, but nothing like you can
accomplish.
thanks for the education.
Bette

[Fone Phreek]

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Post by Frank McCoy
It surprised me to know that when putting an engine back
together, unlike so many other things, it's *mandatory* that you replace certain
bolts *every time*.

That's a new one on me. But, then, the engine I worked on was a 1962
6-cyl, and maybe it wasn't required then.

It was required on a '49 Ford ....
I know one guy who didn't. Don't know the exact engine; but I do remember the
thing worked ... Until he blew a gasket about 5000 miles and six months later.
I've heard horror-stories of people who *tried* putting old bolts in and
torquing them to spec ... And snapping the bolts off in the head. Yeah, it
*might* just be parts-houses trying to sell extra parts ... But I don't think
so.
The problem is that the threaded hole only goes so deep; and the bolt is already
stretched almost that long; and is *set* in the stretch after years of use.
They aren't tempered; and are *designed* to stretch. That's why you use a
torque-wrench on them. Most bolts you just put in "until tight". Not
head-bolts. It's another reason they're always so LONG. Yes, they *could* just
screw the bolts about 2" into the top of the head ... But they don't.
There's a
good reason that they reach clear down to the bottom of the engine-block.
You
don't use just *any* bolt long enough to work, either. Most head-bolts are made
of a specific thickness and type of steel to match the particular engine.
Many
(most?) even have a thinner shank than they have threads; making them look extra
long and skinny; unlike most bolts where the threads are cut *into* the shank.
You don't substitute just "any" bolt, any more than you substitue just "any"
spark-plug. Doing either is just asking for troubles later on; even though it
might work temporarily.
A good mechanic's shop has tools to remove (Shudder!) broken head-bolts that
have snapped off way down in the block. ;-{

This is a sometimes yes, sometimes no situation. Most Ford products
it's an every time replace situation, except the 430. Most of the older
GMC V8 and inline 6 engines the head and manifold bolts can be used over
and over again, except for the Target, GM replacement engines from
Mexico. Usually they'll be white paint on the grip of the bolts that
need to be replaced, but th this is a rule that is broken a lot.

All deisle head bolts under 1/2" should be replaced every time they are
re-torqued.

There was a trick with the old Ford flat heads. You could get a .050"
thicker head gasket and reuse the head-bolts. But gas was 29.9 a gallon
in those days and who cared, the head-bolt set was 3.85.

Getting out broken head-bolts is an expensive proposition and unless
it's an expensive block don't bother. Of course if you can see the top
of the bolt anyone can get it out and that's okay, but the ones that are
down deep, well if a new block is less than 4 or 5 hundred forget it.
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Came for the concert, staid for the rodeo.
SWMBA
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It surprised me to know that when putting an engine back
together, unlike so many other things, it's *mandatory* that you replace certain
bolts *every time*.

That's a new one on me. But, then, the engine I worked on was a 1962
6-cyl, and maybe it wasn't required then.

It was required on a '49 Ford ....
I know one guy who didn't. Don't know the exact engine; but I do remember the
thing worked ... Until he blew a gasket about 5000 miles and six months later.

I had no problems with the chevy.

Post by Frank McCoy
I've heard horror-stories of people who *tried* putting old bolts in and
torquing them to spec ... And snapping the bolts off in the head. Yeah, it
*might* just be parts-houses trying to sell extra parts ... But I don't think
so.
The problem is that the threaded hole only goes so deep; and the bolt is already
stretched almost that long; and is *set* in the stretch after years of use.
They aren't tempered; and are *designed* to stretch. That's why you use a
torque-wrench on them. Most bolts you just put in "until tight". Not
head-bolts.

More than just head bolts. All the crankshaft bearing cap bolts too.
Plus more, I am sure.

Post by Frank McCoy
It's another reason they're always so LONG.

On the chevy, it had overhead valves. The bolts were long JUST to get
thru the head, about 3 or 4 inches, plus 1 or 2 inches into the block.

Post by Frank McCoy
Yes, they *could* just
screw the bolts about 2" into the top of the head ... But they don't. There's a
good reason that they reach clear down to the bottom of the engine-block. You
don't use just *any* bolt long enough to work, either. Most head-bolts are made
of a specific thickness and type of steel to match the particular engine. Many
(most?) even have a thinner shank than they have threads; making them look extra
long and skinny; unlike most bolts where the threads are cut *into* the shank.
You don't substitute just "any" bolt, any more than you substitue just "any"
spark-plug. Doing either is just asking for troubles later on; even though it
might work temporarily.

I have been told, or have read, that most all bolts have a specific
torque range. Based on marks on the head of the bolt. I remember 3,
4, and 5 little tick marks around the head of the bolt which is
supposed to indicate the torque range. And the rules were differenct
for SAE coarse and SAE fine bolts. This goes back some years, before
metric bolts showed up. I have no idea what the rules are for those.
And, I may have mis-remembered.

Post by Frank McCoy
A good mechanic's shop has tools to remove (Shudder!) broken head-bolts that
have snapped off way down in the block. ;-{

I have seen the kits, but never needed to use them.

[Tim Merrigan]

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<snip<

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And faster. :-)

You sound just like my hubby, a real brain. Well, Frank is too.
Actually Frank is a lot like my hubby.
Anywho, it is fun to read your posts and sit their wondering what the
hell does this mean.
That's ok, I was not trained to configure or understand computors. I
use to train dogs at the S.P.C.A. Now that was a blast.
It is so much fun to read Franks' reply and your answer back to him.
Hell, he can take a car apart and put it back together in a 4-5 days.

BTDT. But only the engine and tranny. The rest was welded together.
Too much trouble. :-) But, I took a few weeks. I wasn't in any
hurry.

This was only the engine.
And it took about two weeks.
But that was only because *I* wasn't in any hurry.
OTOH, I've overhauled and rebuilt a *small* engine (about 8hp) in a hair under
four hours. I'm not really a mechanic ... I just have mechanical skills. A
*real* mechanic would do a complete rebuild of both engine and tranny in under 8
hours. Me, I have to do too many things *slowly*, just so I can place the parts
so I know in which order to reassemble them; stopping to label parts, if the
thing is complicated enough, so I will know when it comes time to reassemble,
which bolt goes in which hole (and that's counting the bolts that *must* be
replaced, as well). It surprised me to know that when putting an engine back
together, unlike so many other things, it's *mandatory* that you replace certain
bolts *every time*. It seems that when you torque head-bolts and such, the bolt
is *designed* to stretch a certain amount, to give the right ... uh ... spring
and keep it tight. But when taken out, it's already *been* stretched; and if
you try to use it again, it'll be too long and thus won't properly tighten. In
fact, you're liable to break the thing off inside the head, if you try.

I don't remember my father, who *was* a mechanic, ever buying new head
bolts. He *did* always use a calibrated torque wrench and was careful
to torque the bolts to just the right pressure.

Post by Frank McCoy
One of so many *little* things you're supposed to know *before* you start taking
an engine apart. Things like: Don't re-use gaskets. In most cases, you buy a
complete *set* of gaskets for the whole engine ... or make new ones out of
gasket-material, if they don't have it for that particular part. The reason
being similar to the reason for not reusing head-bolts.

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Post by younthing
What a mechanic. Actually, Frank can do just about anythings. ;-}
Yet, it is his delghtful stories that turn me on. YUM.
youngthing

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation, from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all.

Tim Merrigan

[younthing]

Hi Tim,
How about a cup of coffee at the coffee shop?
I am free and we can talk about your dad. Would
like to hear more about him.
Bette

[Tim Merrigan]

Post by younthing
Hi Tim,
How about a cup of coffee at the coffee shop?
I am free and we can talk about your dad. Would
like to hear more about him.
Bette

Sure, when will you be in L.A. next.

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation, from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all.

Tim Merrigan

[younthing]

How about at the Coffee Shop alt.fan.frnak.mccoy.
It will save air fair. -;}

Bette

[Tim Merrigan]

Post by younthing
How about at the Coffee Shop alt.fan.frnak.mccoy.
It will save air fair. -;}
Bette

Oh, yeah. The coffee's probably better there too, much closer to my
exact taste.

I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and to the republic which it established, one nation, from many peoples, promising liberty and justice for all.

Tim Merrigan

[younthing]

Post by Tim Merrigan
Oh, yeah. The coffee's probably better there too, much closer to my
exact taste.

Yes, you are right, the coffee is wonderful. Any style you like. But
it is the pastry that is out of this world. See, this is what Frank
and I would do. Just pretend.
Anyone who would like to join us is welcome.
It is a time to relax and enjoy. Get to know one another.
I am waiting for great conversation.
Bette

[Frank McCoy]

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And faster. :-)

*Much* faster.
Not only that; but you can get fairly cheap removable disk-drives at about two
dollars a gig, if you want off-site backup. (Non-removable drives can get as
cheap as $.50 a gig.) That's if you don't mind _relatively_ slow USB drives.
They're still _much_ faster than most tape-drives.

Today, I would probably go for SATA drives in hot-swapable carriers,
assuming that NT 4 can even support them. The trick is to convince NT
4 that are 'removable' devices, so that I don't have to re-boot to
change them.

Post by Frank McCoy
It seems a bit funny though, to spend much *more* on your backup drives than on
your primary system ... But that's the way it is today. Still much cheaper than
the past; even though the capacity has bloomed into a monster.

If I tried to add up all that I have spent on computer systems
(processors, disk drives, printers, terminals, modems, . . .) over
the last 30 years, I would probably be shocked - easily over 100 grand
- hell, the first real system was over 10 grand all by itself, back
in 1975.

I spent $4,000 on my first system in about 1972 or 1973: A used Altair 8080
system (that I finally sold to a collector about 3 or 4 years ago) that the
company had used to do their billing on. I bought it from them when they
changed systems, because I had too much *personal* effort wrapped up in the
system to just see it go. After all, I had built the thing and done essentially
*all* the programming on it; starting from toggling programs in through the
front-panel to writing my own (crappy) Operating System.

The next system I got (about four years later) was a really *crappy* Zenith
IBM-Clone of an XT, with two floppies. Over the years, that system has morphed
into what I have now; with changes of about a fifteen processors and about a
dozen different motherboards, five cases, about twenty different types and
interfaces of hard-drives, and every video-board type from the original IBM
black-and-white to my present 128-meg super-whizbang All-in-wonder card. There
isn't a single item that hasn't been replaced at least five times; but, in a
way, it's still the original system, as each part got replaced separately, and
each change was made on the existing system. Not once did I go with something
entirely new.

I even have a lot of the old original software ... And the newer systems have
finally gotten FAST enough to decently *emulate* the old slow ones ... So I can
finally run a lot of my old and slow software that I used to run. A piece of
software called "DOSbox", is a wonderful tool for making old software run on new
machines ... IF you take the trouble to tune it up for each one.

I just got my old SPACEWAR game running on it ... Something designed for an old
8088 with a Hercules B&W graphics card. When setup right, it looks and runs
just like it did on the old Zenith. ;-}

[youngthing]

Frank,

Do I dare ask? How is the kid's computor?
Just concerned.
Youngthing

[Frank McCoy]

Post by youngthing

Frank,

Do I dare ask? How is the kid's computor?

Getting better ... Slowly.
About a zillion software packages to re-install; and about two-dozen passwords
and login-names to recover for them. I'm a little over half done, I figure.

A few pieces of data are gone forever; but at least the kid doesn't have the
data on the main drive like I do.

Of course, *I* have my stuff not only backed up on my D: drive, but the net
drive, AND the wife's computer too.

Why yes, I *do* wear both belt and suspenders.
Why do you ask? ;-}

Post by youngthing
Just concerned.
Youngthing

[youngthing]

Post by Frank McCoy
Why yes, I *do* wear both belt and suspenders.
Why do you ask? ;-}

Post by youngthing
Just concerned.
Youngthing

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Don't you know?
youngthing

[youngthing]

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Why yes, I *do* wear both belt and suspenders.
Why do you ask? ;-}

Post by youngthing
Just concerned.
Youngthing

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Don't you know?
youngthing

[youngthing]

Post by Frank McCoy
Why yes, I *do* wear both belt and suspenders.
Why do you ask? ;-}
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Cowboy,
You know to match your . . .well never mind. ;-}
youngthing

[youngthing]

Post by Frank McCoy
Why yes, I *do* wear both belt and suspenders.
Why do you ask? ;-}
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Frank,
You recall our conversation on men's dress. Yes, my hubby also wears
a belt and suspenders. But, it's the tight jeans and cowboy boots
that turn me on. When he puts his leg up on that stool, all I can see
is Jeff Foxworthy.
So, is it true, do you really have dimples?
Well, Cowboy, all I can say is you would look delicious in tight jeans
and cowboy boots. Knowing you, you are deeply in love with your Lady.
And the only eyes on you should belong to her. Ok, let me dream a
bit.
Yes, he does have a soft mustache. All I can say is YUM. ;-}
youngthing

[youngthing]

Post by Frank McCoy
Why yes, I *do* wear both belt and suspenders.
Why do you ask? ;-}
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Frank,
You recall our conversation on men's dress. Yes, my hubby also wears
a belt and suspenders. But, it's the tight jeans and cowboy boots
that turn me on. When he puts his leg up on that stool, all I can see
is Jeff Foxworthy.
So, is it true, do you really have dimples?
Well, Cowboy, all I can say is you would look delicious in tight jeans
and cowboy boots. Knowing you, you are deeply in love with your Lady.
And the only eyes on you should belong to her. Ok, let me dream a
bit.
Yes, he does have a soft mustache. All I can say is YUM. ;-}
youngthing

[Frank McCoy]

Post by youngthing
So, is it true, do you really have dimples?

Not sure.
I might have ....

[youngthing]

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Post by youngthing
So, is it true, do you really have dimples?

Not sure.
I might have ....
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Uh-huh. Do you want to drop your pants and let me see?
Frank, you are blushing.
Tell you what. See that sweet, little eight- year- old who is
aching
to have you break her cherry?
There she is sitting over there with her legs spread wide open,
winking at you.
I will leave you two alone, and she ill tell me if you have dimples.
Have fun.
youngthing

[youngthing]

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Post by youngthing
So, is it true?

Not sure.
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Have you ever done this before?
B.

[Jon Q. Pubic]

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So, is it true?

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Have you ever done this before?
B.

Won't work. Some girls get stimulation riding English though.

jqp, the old time worn cowboy. (far eastern now)
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I was here when Tat was a teen!
Tattooed © is my Hero, and he has the Medal.
long live liaka, SWMBA
Minx wanted! Nice Room, Good Food, Fringe Bennies.
See You At The PUb, Thanks for all the Totty.
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So, is it true?

Not sure.
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Have you ever done this before?
B.

Won't work. Some girls get stimulation riding English though.

Jon,
Honey, not that kind of saddle. You know, when a woman opens her
legs. A man rides her so hard he feels, he is in the saddle. Ride
em, Cowboy.
Only to be fair to your comment, yes women/girls do become stimulated
when riding a horse.
It depends how she sit in the saddle, Western or English. There is a
delicious rubbing against a gal's clit. Plus, somehow her 'G-Spot' is
in play; only if she squeezes her puss together. I know, I am
shameless.
Years ago working on my Uncle's farm, I learned a lot about horses.
And learned how to ride, but found that my body frame and (how do I say
this?) My big boobs giggled and it hurt. So, I never learned how to
ride properly.
Thank you for your info.
youngthing

[Daytek]

wrot

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Post by youngthing

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So, is it true?

Not sure.
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Have you ever done this before?
B.

Won't work. Some girls get stimulation riding English though.

Jon,
Honey, not that kind of saddle. You know, when a woman opens her
legs. A man rides her so hard he feels, he is in the saddle. Ride
em, Cowboy.
Only to be fair to your comment, yes women/girls do become stimulated
when riding a horse.
It depends how she sit in the saddle, Western or English. There is a
delicious rubbing against a gal's clit. Plus, somehow her 'G-Spot' is
in play; only if she squeezes her puss together. I know, I am
shameless.
Years ago working on my Uncle's farm, I learned a lot about horses.
And learned how to ride, but found that my body frame and (how do I say
this?) My big boobs giggled and it hurt. So, I never learned how to
ride properly.
Thank you for your info.
youngthing

When I had horses I saw a few girls become aroused. But like you, the
bigger boobed girls hurt when they rode. The breast are pushed up, then
out, then down, only to repeat the process. One female friend wore a
*tight* fitting bra to try and stop the giggle.

[youngthing]

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Post by youngthing

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Post by youngthing
So, is it true?

Not sure.
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Have you ever done this before?
B.

Won't work. Some girls get stimulation riding English though.
jqp, the old time worn cowboy. (far eastern now)
--
JQP Himself, the wiseass dumbass.
I was here when Tat was a teen!
Tattooed © is my Hero, and he has the Medal.
long live liaka, SWMBA
Minx wanted! Nice Room, Good Food, Fringe Bennies.
See You At The PUb, Thanks for all the Totty.

Jon,
That was not the kind of saddle Frank and I had in mind. You know,
when a man spreads a woman's legs and fucks her so hard; he is in the
saddle. Only fantasy, you see.
Frank is deeply in love with his lovely lady; as I am nuts about my
man.
Just delicious fantasy.
youngthing

[Daytek]

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Post by Frank McCoy

Post by youngthing
So, is it true, do you really have dimples?

Not sure.
I might have ....
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Uh-huh. Do you want to drop your pants and let me see?
Frank, you are blushing.
Tell you what. See that sweet, little eight- year- old who is
aching
to have you break her cherry?
There she is sitting over there with her legs spread wide open,
winking at you.
I will leave you two alone, and she ill tell me if you have dimples.
Have fun.
youngthing

Excuse me!
Sorry to come in late on this thread but you mentioned the magic age that
rang my bell.
Any pics of the 8yr old?<BFG>

[younthing]

Post by Daytek
When I had horses I saw a few girls become aroused. But like you, the
bigger boobed girls hurt when they rode. The breast are pushed up, then
out, then down, only to repeat the process. One female friend wore a
*tight* fitting bra to try and stop the giggle.

Hi Daytek,

Well, it is difficult for me to even find a bra that will fit. I have
a friend who looked into wearing a sports bra, that helped her petite
38-C. It was for running on the boardwalk in N.J.

I prefer not to wear a bra. My husband insists I wear one when we go
outside. Feeling imprisoned in hard material, can't wait to shed it
when I get home.

Yes, I am 65. You will have to ask Frank about the eight year old.
Bette

[Daytek]

Post by younthing

Post by Daytek
When I had horses I saw a few girls become aroused. But like you, the
bigger boobed girls hurt when they rode. The breast are pushed up, then
out, then down, only to repeat the process. One female friend wore a
*tight* fitting bra to try and stop the giggle.

Hi Daytek,
Well, it is difficult for me to even find a bra that will fit. I have
a friend who looked into wearing a sports bra, that helped her petite
38-C. It was for running on the boardwalk in N.J.
I prefer not to wear a bra. My husband insists I wear one when we go
outside. Feeling imprisoned in hard material, can't wait to shed it
when I get home.
Yes, I am 65. You will have to ask Frank about the eight year old.
Bette

My wife and I have a friend who did the breast reduction.
She looks much better! Her boobs were so large for her bodyframe that she
hurt just walking. I'm not being ugly about it. Try to hug her and you
cannot get close unless you hug her from the side or back. I think she's in
her late 30's now, maybe 40. Her daughter is now 18 and naturally skinny as
a rail with small boobs.
I guess for all the years you have had yours, a reduction would be out of
the question?

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daytek

[younthing]

Post by Daytek
My wife and I have a friend who did the breast reduction.
She looks much better! Her boobs were so large for her bodyframe that she
hurt just walking. I'm not being ugly about it. Try to hug her and you
cannot get close unless you hug her from the side or back. I think she's in
her late 30's now, maybe 40. Her daughter is now 18 and naturally skinny as
a rail with small boobs.
I guess for all the years you have had yours, a reduction would be out of
the question?

Not out of the question. Being older, they just hang. I can't wear
proper clothing, without men staring. Could never go to the beach.
Our daughter had her breast reduction last year. She is 38 and was
enormous.
I am still big, but yes they do hurt. It is easier NOT to wear bra.
Nothing can support them.
My husbands encourages me to have it done. We would go to Boston.
Our daughter's plastic surgeron was wonderful. Our insurance would
pay for 3/4 of it.
Being 65 and on Medicare they are not too swift on wanting to pay for a
reduction. Our dr said fight for the money. This involves your back,
knees, bones. It is not for appearances. I am only 5'2" and do
not have the bone structure to support them. I wear a back brace that
fits on like a ladies corset. Hubby made cut outs for my boobs to fall
through. I'd never be able to fasten the back brace.
Thanks for your comments.
Bette

[younthing]

Honey, can we talk. You know. I missed you at the drugstore.
youngthing

[Frank McCoy]

Post by younthing
Honey, can we talk. You know. I missed you at the drugstore.
youngthing

I didn't get down there.

[younthing]

Post by Frank McCoy

Post by younthing
Honey, can we talk. You know. I missed you at the drugstore.
youngthing

I didn't get down there.
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That's okay. We can always get together. How about a picnic at the
park. They are having one hell of a Bluegrass Concert that night.
Your family would love it.

[younthing]

Post by Frank McCoy

Post by younthing
Honey, can we talk. You know. I missed you at the drugstore.
youngthing

I didn't get down there.
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That's Ok. You know me better than that, dear. Of course and your
child as well.
How about a picnic in the county park?
I make the best baked beans and potato salad. This way you can meet
hubby, you have been hearing about. You can talk about the Windmills,

and other interesting items men discuss.
Do you like Fried Green Tomatoes? I can whip them up and have this
reciept that will melt your
whistle. The secret is letting them soak in a batter over night in
the
fridge. Then hit them in a small amount of oil. Lord, they are
mighy
fine.

I understand the park is schedulued for a Bluegrass concernt that
night.
We have folding chairs or blankets.

Most of the music is written by Tailor Stanton. When he starts on
his
mandolin. A mixture of strings fill the night air, making people
who
heard them before, whistle in appreciation. Playing his mandolin,
he
keeps a stable rhythm, but it's Tom and Lyle's high mountain
tenor, voices that is mesmerizing. When Tailor joins in,
the
harmony provides a balance of mountain music and bluegrass.
The music is haunting. Ted's string banjo, and the three finger
picking, combined with Elmer's guitar. Two other men in back
play on the banjo.
When it's their turn, Bob and Charlie walk to the mike and the
combination of the two banjo's blending with Tom and Isaac standing
over a microphone, each play the harmonica.
But it is Jack on the fiddle, who stands out, giving the music power
and entertainment.
Foot stomping music, for everyone. They electrify the audience, by
their consistent rhythm.
After fifteen minutes of non stop music, fills the night air. Then
when the music comes to a halt, lifting the audience to their feet
applauding.
I never heard the likes of them. You and your family can't miss this.

Honey, we have friends for a while, now. I apprecialte your
kindness
to me and mine.
youngthing

[younthing]

Hi Frank,

Maybe Tim can join us at the Coffee Shop.
I will talk with your wife later tonight.
She is coming as well as my hubby.
Bette

[youngthing]

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Post by Frank McCoy
Why yes, I *do* wear both belt and suspenders.
Why do you ask? ;-}
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Frank,
You recall our conversation on men's dress. Yes, my hubby also
wears
a belt and suspenders. But, it's the tight jeans and cowboy boots

that turn me on. When he puts his leg up on that stool, all I can see

is Jeff Foxworthy.
So, is it true? Do you really have dimples?
Cowboy, you would look delicious in tight jeans and cowboy boots.
Knowing how deeply in love, you are with your Lady; the only eyes on
you should belong to her. ;-} She is one lucky Lady.
Ok, let me dream a bit.
Yes, he does have a soft mustache. All I can say is YUM. ;-}
youngthing

[youngthing]

Happy Birthday, dear. Give your wife an extra hug from me.
youngthing

[Frank McCoy]

Post by youngthing
Happy Birthday, dear. Give your wife an extra hug from me.
youngthing

Thanks.
Will.
Also wishing the kid a Happy Birthday too.
This date is rather popular in the family for birthdays. ;-}

[youngthing]

Frank, if you're not too busy, meet me at the drugstore.
Youngthing

[Frank McCoy]

Post by youngthing
Frank, if you're not too busy, meet me at the drugstore.
Youngthing

Which one?
Damn ... That reminds me: I was supposed to pick up four prescriptions today.
Supposed-to. ;-{

[youngthing]

Post by Frank McCoy

Post by youngthing
Frank, if you're not too busy, meet me at the drugstore.
Youngthing

Which one?
Damn ... That reminds me: I was supposed to pick up four prescriptions today.
Supposed-to. ;-{
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Sorry about that, dear. Johnson Drugs on the corner of Main and Elm.
They have some lovely things for your wife. She loves to collect. .
.well you know. And they are not cheap.
That is where I buy my hubby's pipe tobacco. I love the smell of a
pipe.
And your prescriptions are ready.
youngthing

[youngthing]

Post by Frank McCoy

Post by youngthing
Frank, if you're not too busy, meet me at the drugstore.
Youngthing

Which one?
Damn ... That reminds me: I was supposed to pick up four prescriptions today.
Supposed-to. ;-{
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You want us to have lunch? Well. . .
youngthing

[younthing]

Frank, if you're not too busy, meet me at the Coffeeshop. Tim is here.

Yes I am wearing more than just an apron.
Reading "Horny Our of My Mind" again. One delicious story.
But, then the author is . . .well, you know.
Bette

[younthing]

Post by Frank McCoy

Post by youngthing
Frank, if you're not too busy, meet me at the drugstore.
Youngthing

Which one?
Damn ... That reminds me: I was supposed to pick up four prescriptions today.
Supposed-to. ;-{
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You know. The one where we swap stories. ;-)

Bette

[younthing]

Hi,

Missed seeing you for that cup of coffee. But, it is best if we go as
a foursome.
What? Why are you smiling?
Bette