Post by Frank McCoyPost by Laurence TaylorIs she a danger to society? Of course not - one teenager with a liking
for the opposite sex is hardly going to
precipitate a breakdown of society.
Not so much a breakdown of society. People are more worried about how
she will raise HER children. It's almost a given that she will
"abuse" them by raising them in the same lifestyle.
Understood, but unless there's any evidence that her own child was
treated this way, then it's all speculation. You can't lock people up
for what you think they want to do. (OK, you can, but that's what
makes her a political prisoner).
Post by Frank McCoyPost by Laurence TaylorAlthough having said that, I'm not sure that, in her condition, she is
actually capable of living by herself; there are very few ways for a
young girl with a child to survive, and most of them are unpleasant.
Well ... She's now a *woman*. Over ten years (maybe even fifteen or
twenty) have passed since she was first picked up. Her daughter has
been adopted and raised by other people. Probably impossible by now
to figure out who or where.
Ah. I didn't get that bit. Although again, if she can be shown to be
capable of looking after herself, with perhaps a bit of, ahem,
re-education as I mentioned before, (presumably nothing like that
happened when she was in Care while a child). If she's now a grown
woman of well over 21, then she is entitled to her own life.
In any case, in order to treat her child the way she has described,
she needs to find a man who is prepared to do the necessary, and most
men would probably run a mile when they found out what she had in
mind.
Presumably her current opinions are checked and found to be unchanged?
Post by Frank McCoyPost by Laurence TaylorI'd want to know her background - why was she found living rough? Was
she thrown out of home, or did she run away? If she ran away, why?
Where are her family now? Are they homeless too? If not, why not, and
why isn't she with them?
There's some indication she was picked up in the wreckage of a commune
or other group-housing after a government attack such as those the
government did on Waco or (more likely) the ones the government did on
various Mormon communities in Utah. There's some indication her
parents were never found; whether because they were killed or went
into hiding isn't even hinted.
I see. Not a situation to generate a large quantity of mental ability
or normalcy.
Post by Frank McCoyPost by Laurence TaylorTo recap, there's no legal reason why this girl and her daughter
should be kept incarcerated, but she should certainly be given a home
with suport and love - and perhaps shown that sex isn't necessary for
love.
But she wasn't. All she's known for the past decade or two is being
imprisoned and punished (or so *she* feels) for loving her parents.
She's now an adult, with this attitude firmly set in her mind.
I was afraid of that. Her attitude has been reinforced by the totally
antagonistic response of the authorities and the "kids' prison"
variety of children's home.
Post by Frank McCoyHer daughter is long gone. Her attitude is set.
Should she be released to pass that attitude on to her own children?
Is it "right" to release a person who has *told* you that she'll
"abuse" any children she has; and is determined to have children?
The problems is: By society's definition, how she plans on raising
her children is abuse of the worst kind. By *her* definition, it's
love of the best kind. On the one hand, she really hasn't *yet*
committed a "crime". On the other, it's society's duty to protect her
children from being abused, if it's known she's "unsane" enough to
hurt them. Would you argue with that attitude, if her view was that
children needed to be tortured and burned and mutilated to grow up
respecting authority?
Ummmm .... no. ALthough I see what you're getting at. The reason being
that torture etc, generally, is unpleasant and unwanted. Sexual
activity, generally, isn't. The bottom line is whether the person
involved objects to what is happening.
Post by Frank McCoySociety views such sexual activity by children as almost as bad or
even worse. That it *cannot* ever be anything but the worst kind of
abuse; fully as damaging to the child as rape and torture.
And (viewed that way) the woman herself is an example! She's been so
abused she doesn't recognize it as abuse; and wants HER children
raised the same way!
(I always thought the above argument was both circular, self-serving,
and idiotic; but it's commonly accepted reasoning, especially when
dealing with "religious cults".)
Or indeed with anyone who reports not disliking sex when young. (Just
ask any probation officer!)
I still think that the orrect action would be release, along with some
form of SOTP course, or simply a good talking-to, to point out that
just because it was OK for her, it doesn't follow for other people -
with a heavy emphasis on the (legal and social) consequences of
following that philosophy through.
--
rgds
LAurence
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